Interview with Ezell Agnew, 1 Interview with Ezell Agnew

Goodwill Ambassador
Washtenaw C.C., Ann Arbor, Michigan, March 2, 2001


        I first laid eyes on Ezell Agnew a couple of years ago when I was teaching part-time at Washtenaw Community College, in Ann Arbor.  I used to come out of the Student Center Building after my classes were over, heading for the parking lot, and he would be there, puttering around the shrubbery or driving around in his red truck, waving to all the students, and exclaiming in his high-pitched voice, “Amen!  Amen!  How are you?  How are you doing?  Wonderful weather, isn’t it?  Lord, what a beautiful day!”  It didn’t matter if the sky was gloomy and overcast, the wind chill was below zero, or that no one paid attention to him.  He kept waving and chirping, “Amen!  Amen!”  I couldn’t understand how anyone could be so cheerful.  I thought the man must be crazy.
       I was down on my luck, out of work, and in debt.  I had just come from another fruitless job inquiry, it was another cheerless gray day.  I had every reason to be depressed.  As I walked to the parking lot, there was Ezell, his left hand stuck out of the window of his truck and waving at everyone and no one.  This time, I stopped.  He was wearing custom fitted overalls with the words “Goodwill Ambassador” stitched into the right breast.  I greeted him, grasping his gloved hand, and peered into his eyes.  They were narrow and squinty, yet they sparkled with the luminosity of stars.  I felt a twinge of envy and self-consciousness that he could be so happy.  He asked me what I was doing, and I told him I had been inquiring about a job, and was about to go home.
       “Already?” he asked.  “It’s just the middle of the day!”
       “Well, I’m going home for lunch, and I’ll look some more in the afternoon,” I lied.  The truth was, I couldn’t stomach any more job hunting that day.  For the moment, at any rate, I was much more interested in talking to him.  I asked if we could get together, and he told me sure, as long as I set it up with his boss.  I promptly did so.  
       A few days later, I met him in the lunchroom of the Plant Operations building.  He was full of questions about my line of work, where my office was, and so forth.  I explained to him again that I was looking for a job, and that the prospect of full-time work was bleak.
         Interview with Ezell Agnew, 2“Really?” he made an incredulous face.  “A nice handsome man like you can’t get a job?”  He could hardly believe it.  When I tried to turn the conversation toward him, he shifted uneasily in his chair.  “It’s seven minutes afternoon,” he said, apropos of nothing.  I could tell that referring to the time was his way of telling me that he didn’t want to talk about himself.  “I always look at the time when someone wants to go into my details,” he added.
       “Well in that case, I’ve got some things that I wrote down,” I said, pulling out a sheet of paper.  “Maybe we can just discuss some of them.  They’re reminders of certain principles I’m trying to practice.  The first one is: Love the situation you’re in.”
       “Well,” he said, responding eagerly to the change in my approach, “love is something that people will not and cannot understand.  Love is more than talking.  It’s action and doing what is called for.  Like when you met me and we started talking, that brought you more understanding of what I stand for.  You felt that love in so many ways you didn’t even understand it.”
       “I think I know what you’re saying,” I replied.  “I saw you two or three years ago, when I was teaching here, but I never said anything to you, then.  The other day, however, I saw you again.  This time, I though, ‘He looks so happy.  There’s got to be something to it.  This time, I’m not going to go my way.  I’m going to stop and talk to him.’  If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that love is action.  In my case, that action consisted of stopping to talk to you.”
       “That’s it.  When an individual stops to talk to you, you find out where that person stands.  A person that’s intentioned with the right kind of love is there to help you.  When you have that love, you’re going to share that love.”
       “So when you stop and talk to a person, you start to find out about that person.”
       “That’s right.”  
       “Two years ago, when I saw you smiling and waving, I didn’t know what you were about because I didn’t talk to you.  You could have been crazy, for all I knew..”
       “Thank you,” he replied.  “You know, many people view love as crazy because they don’t understand it.  When you have it, no one can take it from you.  They may try to get ahead of you, or put boundaries on you, but that love is still going to be stronger than ever.  What you have to do is get the right motive.  That’s always been in my life, during all of my thirty-five years of service at Washtenaw Community College.  I’ve tried to help, to encourage, and to do my very best.  I thank the Lord for the power he gave to me.  I’m not educated like lots of people are, but I always tell people, ‘It’s not what you have.  It’s what you do by what you have.’  There’s a lot of educated fools.”  
       “I’ve got all sorts of degrees, but they haven’t gotten me anywhere,” I confessed.
       “OK.  You know why?  It’s because you dwell on what you have.  You’ve got to dwell on what you don’t have.  All those degrees that you have, you look back at them and try to hold onto them.  But if you hold onto what you don’t have, it’ll eventually come your way.”
         “I’ve got another thing I’ve written here,” I replied, “and it says exactly the same thing that you just said: Be grateful not only for what you have, but also for what you don’t have.”
       “That is the answer right there.”
       “That’s a very revolutionary idea, Ezell.”
       “Thank you.”
         “I’d say that most people don’t think that way, though”
         Interview with Ezell Agnew, 3“Because they dwell on what they have, and not on what they don’t have.  That’s the reason why many people today don’t have respect for anyone but themselves.  Because they feel that they are better than you or me.”
       “In other words, everyone is thinking: ‘I am what I have.’“
       “Right,” Ezell proclaimed.  “And that’s the worst thing that anyone can meditate on.”
       “I think you’re right.  All these degrees are like a kind of brainwashing.  They make people think that they have this, or they are that.  You get a degree next to your name and you go around saying, ‘I am so and so.  There’s the degree.  That’s me!’”
       “That’s it,” Ezell nodded his head.  “That’s me, and I’m better than you are!  Look at what I got on the wall.  Look at that doctor degree!  That’s where the sadness comes in, my brother.”
       “Like you said, the sadness comes when people dwell on what they have, and what we don’t have is about a million times greater than what we have, because what are is such a tiny portion of what we can be,” I suggested.
       “We have something, but it’s more than you can even explain.  We have something when we know how to respect and be respected.  That’s what education can’t understand.  You have to think on that.  If I got all this here and don’t respect you, I’m nothing, but I am somebody when I respect you.  I can’t dwell on what I have.  I’ve got to meditate on what I don’t have.  When I meditate on what I don’t have, I can’t even explain it sometimes, myself.  When my sister or my brother comes up to me, asking for advice, then I don’t speak just to be speaking.  I try to speak by the power of God.  That’s something that you or I can’t understand.”    
       “So what we have is only what we understand about ourselves.  What we don’t have is everything that we don’t understand.”
       “You got it.  People don’t understand this man here,” he said, referring to himself.  “How can he speak the way he speaks, and I got all this on the wall, and he don’t have nothing on the wall?  How is it that he can speak so well?”  
       “It’s because you’re a lot more than your education.”
       “That’s right.  A man can only give so much, but through the spirit of God, he can give it all.  That’s why it’s not what you have.  It’s what you don’t have.  That’s why people don’t understand this man here, and they never will.”
       “My understanding tells me that you’re a man, just like me.  How are you in any way less than I am?  It’s impossible.  All men are created equal, right?”
       “Every man is created equal by the power of God.  But in the eyes of education, I’m not equal, because I don’t have what that other person has.”
       “That’s right,” I admitted.  “That’s why what I read said to be grateful NOT ONLY for what you have, but ALSO for what you don’t have.  No matter who we are, what we don’t have is so much more than what we have.  It makes more sense to be grateful for that.  Why dwell on what you’ve achieved, or what you are right now.  Look ahead, to what you can be.”
       “Mmmhmm.  Read another one for me,” Ezell requested.
       I glanced at my list.  “This one says: “When one door closes, another door opens.”
       “Surely,” Ezell nodded his head.  “When one door closes in your mind, there’s another door that’s gonna open if you’re able to wait on it.  It may not come when you want it, but it’ll come just at the right time.”
       “That’s what I’m going through right now.  Some doors have shut on me.  Right now, a new door hasn’t opened yet.  I see what you’re saying, though.  It first has to open in your mind.”
         Interview with Ezell Agnew, 4“That’s it.  If you can’t be yourself, you’ll never know what future lies before you.  You have to come to the knowledge of what God has given you, and when you have, no man can take that away.  Don’t be what you have.  Be what you don’t have.  When you’re being what you don’t have, it may not be what you went to school for, but sometimes it may be a lot better than what you went to school for.”
       “That’s what I’m thinking,” I replied.  “I’m thinking, if I stuck to the things I went to school for, ten years down the road I might not like my life at all.”
       “Right,” Ezell agreed.  “You might be in the psychiatric home right here down the road, with all your degrees.  It’s the mercy of God, showing you through your tests and your trials that there was always a blessing near.  There’s always a blessing nearer than you think.”
       “Here’s another one,” I said, looking again at my list: Don’t waste time trying to change reality.”
       “That’s what I’m saying right at this moment.  Changing reality is changing your self.  You can try to change by trying to please other people around you, but you won’t be able to do it to save your neck.  People may be smiling at your face, but they don’t always understand you.  You have to stand up and focus on what you are.  Forget about what you have, and focus on what you don’t have.”
       “OK.  Here’s the last one: Accept the world the way it is.  Accept people as they are.  And accept yourself as you are.”      
       “That’s a good point.  You’ve got to accept it all to make yourself what you are.  If you accept the world as it is, other people as they are, and yourself as you are, then you ARE somebody.  Focus on being yourself.  That’s what counts.  When you’re not focused on what you have, but focused on what you don’t have, then your reality is coming on stronger.  When it comes your way, you’ll receive it.  You can have the whole world, and you’ve still got nothing, but if you focus on what you are, that’s where your blessing is.”
       I came away from this conversation marveling at the profundity of Ezell’s attitude toward life.  His dictum, “Don’t dwell on what you have, but on what you don’t have,” was reverberating in my mind, as was one his last remarks, “Focus on what you are.”  What a person HAD was something quite different from what a person WAS.  We were conditioned to think that what we didn’t have was nothing, and what we did have was everything, but actually, the opposite was true.  What we thought we had was nothing, and what we thought we didn’t have was everything.  What we really had was being-ness.’  By focusing on this being-ness, Ezell was able to see himself not as what he appeared to the world to be, but as something much greater, and ultimately that was what he had become.
 
Date Submitted:
3/14/04
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